Re: Internet 2020 Goals

Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> Fri, 30 May 2014 02:17 UTC

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Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:

>>
>> Do you think the funding agencies around the world are driven by documents
>> issued by the ISOC? If so, then why do most of them end up writing their
>> own? (hint: because they have the money).
> Because they have more vision than ISOC does.

That's about right.

There was a time when folks in the Internet community rotated in and out 
of Program Manager slots at DARPA (can you say Licklider, Kahn, Cerf, 
Taylor, Roberts, ...) and an awful lot of folks had a lot of input to 
various research and funding agendas.  Not so much anymore.  Networking 
related topics seem to have fallen off the list on the BAAs and SBIR 
solicitations I see - there's certainly important work to be done, but 
folks don't seem to be promoting a research agenda as much.  (Well 
somewhat at lower levels of the protocol stack, but application stuff 
seems to have really dried up.)

Miles Fidelman

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