Re: IETF WG meetings and remote participation

[Robert Raszuk <[e-mail]>]

Joel,

Two points:

* I would like IETF to provide formal ability to have slides along with
draft *without* necessity for this to happen only for those which get to be
presented and only at the discretion of cool WG chair.

* In many WGs the presentations go one by one without any time for
discussions or with very limited time to discuss: 1-3 questions - mic
closed. Move rest to the list. Next one.

Thx,
R.


On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 10:52 PM Joel M. Halpern <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Actually, all the slides can be (and should be) posted in the meeting
> materials section before the meeeting.  For the sessions I co-chair, we
> make sure to get the material posted before the meeting starts.
> Preferably enough before that people can look at them.
>
> Having said that, I have to disagree with the claim that there is no
> need to present the material.  Reading slides is NOT the same as getting
> a decent presentation.  And more importantly, the slides help shape the
> discussion.  the remind people of context.  They frame the quesitons
> that need to be discussed.
>
> I will admit that a significant part of the time the slides do not frame
> the discussion well.  But that is still the point.  Telling people
> "let's talk about draft foo" without framing is not useful.  And
> pretending a slide deck that was posted, but not presented, is actually
> framing the discussion is disingenuous.
>
> Yours,
> Joel
>
> On 2/15/2020 4:45 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
> > Keith,
> >
> > 100%.
> >
> > While I always do slides to explain the idea IETF has no space to post
> > it before the meeting along with draft. Perhaps each draft should list
> > private URL with slides for those interested to look at them instead or
> > as add-on to the draft lecture itself ? Should we perhaps enhance IETF
> > submission a bit to optionally accommodate pdf slides with the draft and
> > augment IETF tools repo to provide link to those if present ?
> >
> > Sending it to chairs to be posted before the meeting is already too late.
> >
> > I agree slides are much lower bar then video and could be equally or
> > even more helpful.
> >
> > Best,
> > R.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 10:20 PM Keith Moore <[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 2/15/20 2:41 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
> >
> >      > I think each draft should have a youtube video attached such that
> >      > instead of wasting time to listen to one actor shows watch it
> before
> >      > and then sped those 10-15 min to interactively discuss.
> >
> >     Videos are nearly always a huge waste of time, just as presentations
> in
> >     meetings are nearly always a huge waste of time.   If the
> >     internet-draft
> >     is too dense to be read in a few minutes, post the slides in advance
> >     (maybe with notes), expect people to read those, and spend the
> >     "presentation" time on questions-and-answers.
> >
> >     Face-to-face meeting time should be devoted to *interaction*.
> >
> >     Keith
> >
> >
>