Re: Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service

Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Mon, 16 November 2020 10:43 UTC

Return-Path: <housley@vigilsec.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1B03A07DF for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 02:43:07 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L4tY9exc4kcd for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 02:43:05 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 901EA3A07D7 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 02:43:05 -0800 (PST)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32552300B3B for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 05:43:03 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net
Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id l6XdPNPBdy7B for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 05:43:01 -0500 (EST)
Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-141-156-161-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net [141.156.161.153]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C0C3300AA4; Mon, 16 Nov 2020 05:43:01 -0500 (EST)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\))
Subject: Re: Call for Community Feedback: Retiring IETF FTP Service
From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
In-Reply-To: <af6ab231024c478bbd28bbec0f9c69c9@cert.org>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 05:43:02 -0500
Cc: IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <0D41F3FD-BA1F-4716-A165-4FE7529431A9@vigilsec.com>
References: <af6ab231024c478bbd28bbec0f9c69c9@cert.org>
To: "Roman D. Danyliw" <rdd@cert.org>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/RS85sbnQKUIixjL8LNDdnuRqpbI>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 10:43:07 -0000

I support turning off the FTP service at ietf.org. The FTP daemon places frustrating constraints on the file system structure.  HTTPS offers much greater security, and it does not impose constraints on the file system structure.

Russ

> On Nov 9, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> The Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG) is seeking community input on retiring the IETF FTP service (ftp://ftp.ietf.org, ftp://ops.ietf.org, ftp://ietf.org).  A review of this service has found that FTP appears to serve a very small community and HTTP has become the access mechanism of choice.  Given this shift in community usage, reducing the operational complexity of the overall IETF infrastructure seems to outweigh the very limited community served with FTP.  
> 
> In reviewing the additional impacts of such a service retirement, the dependencies on FTP have been assessed.  Additionally, it has been confirmed that all information currently reachable through FTP will continue to be available through other services (HTTP, RSYNC, IMAP).
> 
> In consultation with the Tools team (Robert, Glen, Henrik, Russ, and Alexey), Communications team (Greg), affected SDO liaisons, IAB Chair, and LLC ED, a proposed retirement plan was developed and is available at:
> 
> https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/Retiring_IETF_FTP_Service.pdf
> 
> The IESG appreciates any input from the community on this proposal and will consider all input received by December 4, 2020 (to account for the upcoming IETF 109 and holidays).
> 
> Regards,
> Roman
> (as the IESG Tools Liaison)
>