Re: How to tell people... Was: We appear to still be litigating OAuth, oops

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sat, 27 February 2021 20:19 UTC

Return-Path: <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150EC3A13D1 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:19:27 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.899
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x5NT5-az-YFS for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:19:25 -0800 (PST)
Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2E743A13B7 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:19:24 -0800 (PST)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720AB389BE; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:23:47 -0500 (EST)
Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id F6EIQHN5eLNE; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:23:46 -0500 (EST)
Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FECD38983; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:23:46 -0500 (EST)
Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB03263E; Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:19:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: How to tell people... Was: We appear to still be litigating OAuth, oops
In-Reply-To: <58983604-4d55-a368-6de9-7e2300a285bd@network-heretics.com>
References: <CAMm+LwgbK3HYDjSHnTN3f6hWSQCQrEjHLNn6z0JpfY7hdxaQpg@mail.gmail.com> <A8128346-B557-472F-B94F-8F624F955FCE@manicode.com> <eb2eaaa7-7f7e-4170-ab87-1cc1fdd3359b@www.fastmail.com> <CAMm+Lwh5xCp3XbXQthOeeNabdjjFnPVozXNiytkL7R5eF7VXpw@mail.gmail.com> <58983604-4d55-a368-6de9-7e2300a285bd@network-heretics.com>
X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1
X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m<nPbLgmtKK-5dC@#:k
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:19:22 -0500
Message-ID: <21339.1614457162@localhost>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/RVk7KD0Ac2HdlIvNZ7TrORlLU_o>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 20:19:32 -0000

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
    >> This is one of the reasons I would like to see the IETF move towards a
    >> W3C style plenary in which WGs are required to provide short
    >> introductions to what they do. No, not status reports: an elevator
    >> pitch.

    > We actually had similar plenaries, long ago, as a way to keep the
    > broader community informed about what individual WGs were doing. First
    > thing Monday mornings, as I recall.

Yes, my first IETF, 36 had that.  By IETF40, they were gone, considered a
waste of common time.  There clearly was some value that we are now partially
missing.

There have been a few IAB Tech plenaries and SAAG presentations that fall
into the elevator pitch.  Tiru Reddy most recently did one on DOTS, for instance.

--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
           Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide