Meet Only line - I object

Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 02 February 2021 18:31 UTC

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Subject: Meet Only line - I object
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Looking at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-shmoo/ballot/, I noted that there is no mailing list for this. Had there been one, this note would have been posted to it. I apologize for the wide distribution.

I can see setting up a policy for meetings that are cancelled by Force Majuere, but the fact that we have had such doesn’t call for stopping having meetings. The fact is that face-to-face meetings have value - people can get to know each other and set up a social basis for discussion, if nothing else. I can see scaling back - our European colleagues find the summer meeting timing awkward at best. But I don;’t see the temporary effect of having a global pandemic as justification for simply shutting down to mailing lists - which would be the likely effect of failing to meet.

So yes, I think we would do well to meet for IETF 111 and on.

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