Re: If Muslims are blocked by the U.S., should the IETF respond?
Niels ten Oever <lists@digitaldissidents.org> Mon, 30 January 2017 16:39 UTC
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FYI: https://www.iacr.org/misc/us-immigration-ban.html Statement from the International Association for Cryptologic Research (IACR) Condemning the U.S. President’s 2017-01-27 Executive Order Barring Entry into the U.S. of Citizens from Seven Muslim-Majority Countries January 29, 2017 The International Association for Cryptologic Research (IACR) is the scientific organization dedicated to advancing the theory and practice of cryptology worldwide. Our members contribute to the advance of critical information security techniques. These work toward making the Internet safe, protecting e-commerce, securing computer storage, and enabling the safe use of mobile phones. Members of the IACR, who come from around the world, developed many of the cryptographic methods that have been standardized by the USA’s National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and which are in use worldwide, such as the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES). The IACR strongly opposes U.S. President Donald Trump’s Executive Order suspending visas to nationals of seven Muslim-majority countries. We declare such actions, which hurt international collaboration, to pose a concrete and direct threat to our mission, and to the continued international contributions of our members to society, industry, and government. The open exchange of ideas is essential to the work the IACR does, and to the advance of scientific knowledge and technology more broadly. The open exchange of ideas requires freedom of movement — as when non-U.S. citizens attend IACR-sponsored conferences held in the USA, a completely routine activity. All individuals are entitled to participate in IACR conferences, regardless of their country of origin. Barring citizens of out-of-favor countries from entering the United States sunders basic scientific and community norms. These norms were strained even before the executive action, with many scholars facing untoward barriers to getting U.S. visas. The United States itself benefits from participation in the international academic community, as when international graduate students and postdoctoral scholars study at U.S. universities, and when non-U.S. professors visit the U.S. to collaborate on research or share their knowledge. Our community’s work, which often involves teams from many countries, directly contributes to the successful efforts of U.S. industry. Running an international scientific society that contributes to innovations in science and technology is not easy. The implications of this executive order are unpredictable. In response to it, other nations may take similar actions, making it impossible for U.S. scientists to attend conferences in other countries. In the end, this unhelpful and destructive executive order only hurts the United States. The IACR calls for it to be immediately rescinded. Approved by the IACR board of directors, January 29, 2017 On 01/30/2017 05:30 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> let me spin jari's point a bit differently. >> >> if the outrageous actions out of washington are less than one a week, i >> for one will be surprised. and i strongly encourage protest, funding >> the aclu, etc etc. [ and i have been pushing back against stateside >> meetings for a looooong time ] >> >> but there will soon be violations of rights and sanity which are not so >> obvious to the general public, but will be in the internet community's >> domain. the internet community will need all the energy and resources >> we can muster to deal with those directly on our turf. >> >> expect years of outrageous fascist hateful acts and plan your resource >> expenditures accordingly. > > btw, i seem to have been unclear. i do not agree with this position, i > just meant to clarify it. pushing it to some commmittee/wg is a sign of > a lack of will. > > but sadly, i do not think the ietf has the guts and the vision to even > do what an organization such as the iacr, crypto assn which has long > experience with real politik etc. has done, see > > https://www.iacr.org/misc/us-immigration-ban.html > > do not be the folk who sat in the planes which were driven into the > towers. i would rather be with the folk on United 93. > > https://twitter.com/KgouldA/status/825491285884751873/photo/1 > > randy > -- Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9
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