Re: Registration details for IETF 108

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Tue, 02 June 2020 20:56 UTC

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Subject: Re: Registration details for IETF 108
To: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, Mehmet Ersue <mersue@gmail.com>, ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
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Hiya,

On 02/06/2020 21:44, Ted Hardie wrote:
> You appear to be arguing that moving from zero to any number
> for a particular class of participants effectively excludes some of those
> participants from the standards process and because that would be a
> standards process change, that would pull it from their bailiwick. 

No. I'm arguing that the move from zero to non-zero ought
be an IESG decision, based on community discussion. That's
not only because it might exclude people but also because
such changes can have longer term and subtle effects. One
already pointed out on the wg chairs list is that this
may create an incentive to have virtual interims for WGs
outside the IETF meeting week, as those don't have a fee.
That could be good, bad or indifferent in terms of the
standards process.

To be clear: I'm not now arguing that remote participation
ought not have a fee. I might make that argument later in a
discussion about policy for IETF109 and beyond but my
argument here is solely about who gets to set the policy. I
do not believe that ought be the LLC. (But can live with
IETF108 as an exception.)

Cheers,
S.