Re: BoF's in the Age of Covids

Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> Tue, 12 May 2020 14:53 UTC

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From: Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 09:52:57 -0500
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Subject: Re: BoF's in the Age of Covids
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Cc: Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>, IETF Discussion Mailing List <ietf@ietf.org>
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Hi,

I agree with Michael Thomas' points.
We may conclude that the Age of Covids will end up a very decreased BoF
activity in IETF simply because people's hands are tied.

Regards,
Behcet

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:16 AM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
wrote:

>
> Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
>     > On 5/11/20 4:14 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
>     >> Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote: > It's been my impression
> that a
>     >> substantial amount of the work for > putting together BoF's, etc has
>     >> been done loosely and informally > usually in the setting of a
> meeting
>     >> and drinking beers with others (aka > bar BoF). Since we seem to be
>     >> doing neither neither these days, from > what I can tell this list
> is
>     >> the closest to that in purpose. Yet since > it's ietf-wide it
> includes
>     >> lots of different areas and interests it's > easy to see how the
>     >> signal to noise ratio might get bad in a
>     >>
>     >> I agree that ietf@ietf.org is a good starting point, but I think
> one
>     >> needs to take a bit of a shotgun to a half-dozen other MLs to let
>     >> people know you are thinking of something.  ietf@ietf.org is not
>     >> universally read, alas.  Also making use of Any-of-Other-Business
>     >> section of other virtual interims to talk briefly about things.  I
>     >> wouldn't be afraid of babbling about such things in the jabber,
> DURING
>     >> (virtual) meetings, but also in hallway@
>
>     > You mean wg ml's? Often that is the *last* place I'd want to bring
>     > something new up and from my experience the feeling is mutual :)
>
> I'm not suggesting trying to have the conversation there, but rather, that
> it's an important place to find interested parties.  To be clear: it's for
> the announcement.
>
> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>  -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
>