Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT...)
Ted Hardie <hardie@qualcomm.com> Thu, 27 March 2003 01:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT...)
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Cc: Michel Py <michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>, The IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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Hi David, Provider of what? Note that if a provider of address space is not routing the addresses involved, they have few or no performance responsibilities in the arena. They don't even need to polish and regrind the digits periodically; they just go. It seems unlikely to me personally that you would change providers for performance reasons. Back to money. If you are getting a slice of the globally unique address space from someone to whom it has been delegated, you may pay them for the privilege. Those fees could go up, and in that case, a network might decide to renumber into a cheaper provider's space to avoid costs. Given that they are all derived from the same sources and the lack of scarcity in the resource, though, its hard to see this as a major problem, unless scarcity is created artificially. That would be a matter for policy debate with the allocating agencies, though, not the IETF. If you were using some of an allocated portion as routable addresses and some as unrouted addresses, you might be forced to change the unrouted addresses as a consequences of choosing someone new to carry the traffic from the routed portions of your network. That would carry the same pain of renumbering it always does. regards, Ted On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 04:32 PM, David Conrad wrote: > Ted, > > What happens when you change providers? > > Rgds, > -drc > > On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 04:01 PM, Ted Hardie wrote: > >> Michel, >> I don't think something needs to be provider independent >> to fit this bill. Getting a slice of the global address space from >> some provider and choosing not route a portion of it (even >> if that portion is 100%) seems to me to create "non-routed >> globally unique space". Are you concerned that doing so >> has some impact on the routing system that needs to be >> considered? >> Money and other annoyances are certainly concerns we >> all face. In that spirit please understand that keeping site local >> costs >> different money and creates different annoyances. >> regards, >> Ted > >
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