Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis-08.txt> (Internet Protocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification) to Internet Standard

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sun, 05 February 2017 05:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc2460bis-08.txt> (Internet Protocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification) to Internet Standard
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>    I have since realized that the flaws were more serious than I had
> realized; and that _only_ exhaustion of IPv4 address space could incent
> widespread deployment.

it will also take the destruction of nats, and that ain't gonna happen.

we shot ourselves in the foot and now we're left with shooting the
messengers.

randy