Re: IETF Last Call for two IPR WG Dcouments

Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> Sun, 30 March 2008 18:20 UTC

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From: Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org>
To: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>
Subject: Re: IETF Last Call for two IPR WG Dcouments
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Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> writes:

> At 7:30 PM +0200 3/30/08, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>>Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> writes:
>>  > These are interesting points, but maybe not interesting in the way
>>>  you intended. If some large group (in this example, the Debian folks)
>>>  want to have some restriction on what they can use in their software,
>>>  that's fine. But that doesn't mean that the IETF needs to do anything
>>>  beyond what it wants to do in order to cater to that group's current
>>>  desires. Every such group could act just like the IETF does: look
>>>  around at what the problems it is facing and change the way it acts
>>>  based on an analysis of the problems.
>>
>>We disagree here.  I believe the IETF has a responsibility to chose a
>>license that works well for a large majority of Internet users.  To some
>>extents, the IETF needs to cater for organizations that make up parts of
>>the Internet.
>
> So, then we clearly agree. Where we seem to disagree is whether it is 
> possible to demand that the IETF cater to all the organizations that 
> you want, or that I want, or <*> wants, or whatever.

Right.  Further, I believe the intention with the documents is to cater
to everyone:

  "grant rights such that code components of IETF contributions can be
  extracted, modified, and used by anyone in any way desired"

The complicated part is HOW that goal is achieved.  It is easy to go
wrong even with the best intentions.

/Simon
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