Re: Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

S Moonesamy <> Wed, 24 February 2021 08:21 UTC

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 00:15:08 -0800
To: Fernando Gont <>, Keith Moore <>,
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Subject: Re: Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
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Hi Fernando, Keith,
At 04:07 PM 22-02-2021, Fernando Gont wrote:
>We have submitted a new I-D, entitled "Diversity and Inclusiveness 
>in the IETF".

Thanks for submitting an I-D about the topic.  Some of the issues in 
the draft were identified previously:

Companies operating at the regional or local level do not see the ROI 
(Section 4).  The problem is more complicated than that.  The 
approach taken was to provide aid through fellowships.  The 
organization which provided fellowships was not too happy about the 
IETF reviewing that.  There was some past feedback for the 
"university problem".  There was someone who explained the 
problem.  I don't remember whether it was fixed.

There has been suggestions over the years to provide summaries of 
discussions instead of sticking to "read the archives".

The stance over the years was that attendance fees are to support the 
IETF.  That could have been true in the past.  The total meeting 
revenue in 2018 was USD 3,908,825 and the total meeting expenses was 
3,089,369.  I doubt that the IETF would be cover its expenses if it 
relied on meeting attendance to cover its expenses.

As a comment about IETF culture, I see people using it as a reference 
for other groups to follow.  In my opinion, it might be viewed as 
offensive or against the social norms of the group.

S. Moonesamy