Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns
Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu> Wed, 14 January 2009 23:41 UTC
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From: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@mit.edu>
To: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
Subject: Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-extns
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>>>>> "Dean" == Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com> writes: Dean> 3. --There have been reports of similar issues in recent Dean> lawsuit where the plaintiff patent-holder acted similarly to Dean> Housley/Brown/Polk et al and was found to have engaged in Dean> "aggravated litigation abuse". In that case, the Judge ruled Dean> the patents unenforceable as a penalty for the deception of Dean> the standards body in that case. (see Dean> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipr-wg/current/msg05089.html Dean> and http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions/07-1545.pdf) Dean, it seems to me that if the patents are not enforceable then there is no impediment to standardization. Help me understand how this is a reason not to publish rather than an argument that Redphone's IPR position is weaker than otherwise expected and thus it might be more reasonable to publish. Dean> 4. --There is no community consensus to proceed, nor any Dean> demand from the community to have this protocol Dean> standardized. I think there is a desire from the community for a solution to the problem that this solved. Didn't Simon work on an implementation before the IPR concerns came up? _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Bernard Aboba
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Russ Housley
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Sam Hartman
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Russ Housley
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Peter Sylvester
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Tim Polk
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Russ Housley
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Sam Hartman
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Phil Pennock
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Russ Housley
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Simon Josefsson
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Peter Sylvester
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Simon Josefsson
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Russ Housley
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Simon Josefsson
- RE: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Josh Howlett
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Simon Josefsson
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Sean Foy
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… SM
- RE: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Bernard Aboba
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Pablo 'merKur' Kohan
- RE: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Robert Schott
- Re: Fourth Last Call: draft-housley-tls-authz-ext… Joachim Achtzehnter