draft-leiba-term-limit-guidance-00 [was: draft-rsalz-termlimits]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 21 October 2021 21:27 UTC

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Subject: draft-leiba-term-limit-guidance-00 [was: draft-rsalz-termlimits]
To: Barry Leiba <barryleiba=40computer.org@dmarc.ietf.org>, "Salz, Rich" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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Good start.

It should mention the Trust as well as the LLC Board. In that context,
as well as the IAB/IESG, it might be wise to mention institutional
memory as potential argument *against* turnover in some cases.

I also note that this advice is diversity-friendly. Diversity as such
has never been stated as a NomCom goal, as far as I know, and can
easily become a third-rail topic, but this draft goes in the right
direction.

I'd be inclined to make it Updates: 8713. (That's "updates" in the
"extends" sense, and want to be sure this becomes part of BCP 10.)

Regards
   Brian Carpenter

On 22-Oct-21 09:14, Barry Leiba wrote:
> I don't think anyone said "must not"... just that we need to allow the
> possibility of no gap.
> 
> So here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leiba-term-limit-guidance/
> 
> I have made an alternative proposal, and I'd appreciate comments on
> that.  I think we can discuss both proposals together.
> 
> Barry
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:34 PM Salz, Rich
> <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>> With Mike's corrections and cutting off the limit at pre-1996 because the structure changed, we get:
>>
>> Lars was Transport AD until 2011; 10 years.
>> Aliisa was ART AD until 2017, no gap.
>> Jari was Internet AD until 2012; one year.
>> Russ was Security AD until 2007; no gap
>> Brian Carpenter wasn't an AD unless it was before 1989 so at least a 15 year gap.
>> Harald was Ops AD until 1999 so two year gap.
>> Fred Baker wasn't an AD before 1989 so at least a six year gap.
>>
>> Or, 10 0 1 0 infinite 2 inifinite ?
>>
>> I don't see how you can make a compelling argument that AD->IETF Chair must not have a gap year.
>>
>>
>