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Re: Voting Security (was: The Next Genaration)

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Mon, 16 September 2019 12:28 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 05:27:23 -0700
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Subject: Re: Voting Security (was: The Next Genaration)
To: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
Cc: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org>, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>, "shogunx@sleekfreak.ath.cx" <shogunx@sleekfreak.ath.cx>, IETF Discussion Mailing List <ietf@ietf.org>
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On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 4:47 PM Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:

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>    - There is a vast literature here. I would be happy to talk more about
>    it with anyone interested in a more synchronous medium (I'll be in SIN for
>    106). It doesn't seem to have a lot of relevance to issues at IETF, unless
>    I'm missing something.
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> Very very strong +1
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> Voted multiple times even :)o the best of my knowledge, nobody is
> clamoring
>

Indeed. As previously noted, even if people wanted to standardize some sort
of Internet voting protocol at IETF -- which to my knowledge they do not --
it would be a bad idea.

-Ekr

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