RE: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance (beha ve) (fwd)

Let's not forget: it takes an average of over 2 years to publish an RFC.

If the market explodes in the next 2 years, we will have significantly
missed the chance to influence the industry.

Unless, of course, the expectation is that the NAT business will *continue*
to expand in the 2-4 year time horizon.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand [mailto:harald@alvestrand.no]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:29 AM
> To: Brian E Carpenter; Pekka Savola
> Cc: iesg@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance
> (behave) (fwd)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --On 20. september 2004 14:03 +0200 Brian E Carpenter 
> <brc@zurich.ibm.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> > I think the real point is that it's quite unrealistic at this
> > stage in the history of NAT to imagine that we can make the mess
> > (which was inevitable anyway) any better by codifying the
> > least-bad form of NAT behaviour. The NAT codes are shipped, burnt
> > into lots of devices, and the IETF can't do much about it.
> > So I think this would be wasted effort.
> 
> My take (which is obviously biased) is that the number of NAT 
> devices 2 
> years from now is likely to be significantly larger than the 
> number of NAT 
> devices currently deployed.
> 
> And - here I am making a real leap of faith - if the IETF 
> recommendations 
> for NAT devices make manufacturers who listen to them create 
> NAT devices 
> that make their customers more happy, then many of these new 
> NAT devices 
> may  be conformant to IETF recommendations.
> 
> If we're really, really lucky - and reasonably fast - we 
> could make the 
> experience of people using the Internet better - "make the 
> Internet work 
> better" for those users.
> And that's what the IETF is supposed to do, isn't it?
> 
> (Note - I sympathize with Pekka's touching faith in Teredo as the Big 
> Solution.... I hope he's right. So the NAT recommendations 
> may in that case 
> boil down to a single sentence:
> 
> "Don't break Teredo"
> 
> If that's the case.... it's worth saying.)
> 
>                  Harald
> 
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