Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IETF 95: Meetecho Details
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Fri, 01 April 2016 17:25 UTC
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Jari, Many thanks, both for your note generally and for the request to undo the registration requirement for this meeting if that is possible. Given that and as the person whose outrage at the situation touched off these threads, I'd like to suggest that we dial back the discussion now and trust Jari (and, as appropriate, Tobias) to organize a more focused discussion as soon as they consider appropriate and feasible. Unfortunately, it sometimes does require a mistake and mini-crisis to bring fundamental issues to the front of the queue. thanks again, john --On Friday, April 01, 2016 13:12 -0300 Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote: > For what it is worth, I do think changing the registration > requirement without discussion or even an announcement was a > mistake. I'm sorry. > > I do have a personal opinion in this topic, and it is that > just like in the physical meeting, I mostly want to know who I > am talking to. That shouldn't be a hard requirement, > however, just like it isn't in, say, list discussion. And I > certainly agree that when you are only observing there's > even less requirement to do so. However, this is a complex > matter involving, for instance, IPR, note wells, ability to > get feedback from participants, understand who participates in > the IETF, possibly an evolving IETF meeting fee model (see > draft-arkko-ietf-trends-and-observations), privacy, and > probably a few other aspects as well. > > I think we should have that discussion (again, but the world > is evolving), and see where we end up. And the above was just > my opinion, I'm sure we'll have other opinions. > > In the meantime (and with most of my leadership team members > on airplanes), I've asked if we can change the requirement > to a recommendation, and no longer require registration. > Meetecho is working on it. Also, the secretariat is changing > the registration page so that it doesn't ask unnecessary > questions from remote participants from those that want to > register. > > Overall IAOC transparency question is worth another thread, I > think. > > Jari >
- Re: Remote Participation for IETF 95: Meetecho De… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Remote Participation for IETF 95: Meetecho De… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Remote Participation for IETF 95: Meetecho De… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [95all] Remote Participation for IETF 95: Mee… Mauricio Esteban
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Ray Pelletier
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Lucy Lynch
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… joel jaeggli
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Melinda Shore
- Re: Remote Participation for IETF 95: Meetecho De… SM
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… joel jaeggli
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Rich Kulawiec
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Tobias Gondrom
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… John C Klensin
- Re: [Recentattendees] Remote Participation for IE… Stephen Farrell