The demand for IPv4 addresses (was: IPv10)

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Thu, 29 December 2016 10:46 UTC

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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 02:43:18 -0800
To: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se>, ietf@ietf.org
From: S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>
Subject: The demand for IPv4 addresses (was: IPv10)
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Hi David, Patrik,
At 20:27 28-12-2016, David Conrad wrote:
>Do you have some magic wand that can make that 
>happen?  It would seem the opposite is happening 
>-- the price for IPv4 addresses is climbing, 
>with rumors of some folks trying to corner the 
>market. This is, of course, unsurprising given 
>Economics 101 and the laws of supply and demand. 
>Should make for interesting times ahead for 
>those organizations that continue to demand IPv4 addresses.

There are interesting time ahead for anyone interested in the topic.

>My suspicion (hope?) is that the increased price 
>of IPv4 (and operational challenges dealing with 
>GGNAT) will encourage folks to take IPv6 more seriously.

The opportunity to take IPv6 seriously was not 
taken seriously.  I doubt that moving to IPv6 
will be about technical challenges.

At 23:17 28-12-2016, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>...in combination with the increased a. 
>announcements of unannounced (regardless of 
>whether it is allocated or not) address space; 
>and ultimately b. announcements of address space 
>that is announced (as people will just not care 
>if someone on the other side of the planet use the space or not).

The thread at 
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2016/006129.html may be informative.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy