Re: Diversity and offensive terminology in RFCs

[Ted Lemon <[e-mail]>]

My point is that the reference you were making was not an IETF document,
and as far as I know nobody has complained about it.   This discussion was
triggered by actual complaints by actual people, and the terms about which
the complaints were made are used in IETF standards; this is why it's a
matter of interest.

I'm not suggesting that the discussion be limited to those who've been
personally affected; in that case I certainly would have no standing to
comment.   What I'm saying is that this really is a serious discussion that
affects real people in meaningful ways, and you seemed to be trivializing
it.   I'm sorry if I misunderstood.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 7:44 PM Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
> Ted,
>
> Your attempt at trying to characterize problematic words with
> "hurtfull" is useful. Asking for the discussion to be limited
> to people personally affected is not so useful. And trust me,
> its not fun to question the effectiveness and efficiency of
> well meaning initiatives.
>
> I brought up "fat" as a well known example of abuse in hostile
> work environments that i assume most on this thread could
> easier relate to than slavery (fat shaming). Makes it IMHO
> easier to imagine how language management can not really
> help directly with hostile work environments.
>
> I really don't think that pythons change can help with any
> hostile work environments either. The best benefit i can think of
> is relief for the poor teacher in school/college of an affected
> country who really does not need a discussion about slavery when
> teaching a 101 computer course in python. Nor the support for
> playfull passive-aggressive behavior when students start
> programming with a a derogatory-rich vocabulary.
>
> Cheers
>     Toerless
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 05:39:58PM -0400, Ted Lemon wrote:
> > On Sep 20, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > > Do i qualify to demand a rename of
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_tree <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_tree>
> > > if i have an appropriate BMI and feel offended or do i have to work in
> > > a Data Center ?
> >
> > Toerless, let me put it to you this way: are you having a problem at
> work that is sufficient that you feel that you would like to report it to
> your human resources/personnel department as harassment, but you don't feel
> safe in doing so?   If so, and if what you are experiencing is being
> enabled by some terminology used in the IETF, then what you are saying
> would apply.   Otherwise you are just wasting our time asking this
> question.   This is not a Kaffee Klatsch, and we are not talking about this
> for fun.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_work_environment <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_work_environment>
> >
>
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