Re: Montevideo statement
joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> Wed, 09 October 2013 06:54 UTC
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Subject: Re: Montevideo statement
From: joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>
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On Oct 8, 2013, at 11:44 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 10:55:08PM -0700, SM wrote: >> This is the second time that the IAB has issued a statement > > Speaking only (empahtically only) for myself, I quite strongly > disagree. The IAB has issued no statement in this case. > > The text as posted is quite clear: > > ---%<---cut here--- > > "The leaders of organizations … have met" > […] > Russ Housley, Chair > Internet Architecture Board (IAB) > > --->%---cut here--- > > That does not say that the IAB has issued a statement. On the > contrary, the IAB did not issue a statement. I think the difference > between some individuals issuing a statement in their capacity as > chairs and CEOs and so on, and the body for which they are chair or > CEO or so on issuing a similar statement, is an important one. We > ought to attend to it. > > Please note that this message is not in any way a comment on such > leadership meetings. In addition, for the purposes of this discussion > I refuse either to affirm or deny concurrence in the IAB chair's > statement. I merely request that we, all of us, attend to the difference > between "the IAB Chair says" and "the IAB says". It would be highly salubrious if in the future if things that look like open letters are simply signed by individuals listing their organizational role/affiliation rather than stating that leaders of the following organizations support this statement. There is abundant historical precedent for that. > > Best regards, > > A > > -- > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@anvilwalrusden.com >
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- Re: Montevideo statement Stephane Bortzmeyer
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- Re: Montevideo statement Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Montevideo statement Martin Millnert
- Re: Montevideo statement Tobias Gondrom
- Re: Montevideo statement manning bill
- Re: Montevideo statement Michael Richardson
- Re: Montevideo statement Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Montevideo statement Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Montevideo statement manning bill
- Re: Montevideo statement SM
- Re: Montevideo statement Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Montevideo statement joel jaeggli
- Re: Montevideo statement Ted Lemon
- Re: Montevideo statement John C Klensin
- Re: Montevideo statement Tobias Gondrom
- Re: Montevideo statement Russ Housley
- Re: Montevideo statement joel jaeggli
- leader statements (was: Montevideo statement) Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Montevideo statement Arturo Servin
- Re: Montevideo statement SM
- Re: Montevideo statement Russ Housley
- Re: leader statements Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Montevideo statement Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: leader statements Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: leader statements Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: leader statements Brian E Carpenter
- "The core Internet institutions abandon the US Go… Carsten Bormann
- Re: leader statements Scott Brim
- Re: leader statements (was: Montevideo statement) SM
- Re: leader statements (was: Montevideo statement) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: leader statements (was: Montevideo statement) Jari Arkko
- Re: Montevideo statement Medel v6 Ramirez
- Re: Montevideo statement Dave Crocker
- Re: leader statements manning bill
- Re: leader statements Arturo Servin
- Re: leader statements (was: Montevideo statement) manning bill
- Re: leader statements Melinda Shore
- Re: Montevideo statement Jari Arkko
- Re: Montevideo statement Ted Lemon
- Re: leader statements Carlos M. Martinez
- Re: Montevideo statement Dave Crocker
- Re: Montevideo statement Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Montevideo statement SM
- Re: Montevideo statement Jari Arkko
- Re: "The core Internet institutions abandon the U… Jorge Amodio
- Re: "The core Internet institutions abandon the U… John Levine
- Re: leader statements Suzanne Woolf
- Re: "The core Internet institutions abandon the U… Jorge Amodio
- Re: "The core Internet institutions abandon the U… Dave Crocker
- Re: "The core Internet institutions abandon the U… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Montevideo statement Michael Richardson
- Re: Montevideo statement Jari Arkko
- Re: Montevideo statement John C Klensin
- Re: Montevideo statement Randy Bush
- Re: [IETF] Re: Montevideo statement Warren Kumari
- Re: Montevideo statement Jorge Amodio
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