Re: Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IETF-77 (March, 2010, Anaheim, CA)

Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> Tue, 23 February 2010 00:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: Announcing Clouds bar BoF during IETF-77 (March, 2010, Anaheim, CA)
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Brian E Carpenter allegedly wrote on 02/22/2010 17:11 EST:
> Well yes, everybody's right in this area, since the terminology
> is so fuzzy and so infected by marketing noise. In any case, I am
> not for a moment saying: don't hold a Bar BOF. It seems like an
> excellent idea to talk about it. What I am saying is: our sister
> standards body the OGF seems like the natural home for this
> topic, and we have to be very precise in defining scope to avoid
> overlap and confusion.
> 
> Regards
>    Brian

If you're proposing OGF you should look at the 6 or 7 other SDOs doing
useful work on clouds, e.g. the DMTF.  It's a complex situation.