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Re: DNSSEC architecture vs reality

Petite Abeille <petite.abeille@gmail.com> Wed, 14 April 2021 09:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: DNSSEC architecture vs reality
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:26:38 +0200
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> On Apr 14, 2021, at 11:07, Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote:
> 
> It may still be a good idea to use Diffie Hellman key exchange,
> because it is secure against passive attacks.

As an alternative narrative — text:// uses saltpack + keys.pub to provide signing & encryption. Entirely bypassing the present PKI infrastructure altogether.  [1][2][3]

Claiming a host boils down to publishing one's handle over dns:

# dig +short _text._tcp.txt.textprotocol.org txt
"textprotocol@github" 

[1] https://saltpack.org
[2] https://keys.pub
[3] https://gist.github.com/textprotocol

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