Re: PS Characterization Clarified
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 02 September 2013 20:07 UTC
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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:07:40 +1200
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: PS Characterization Clarified
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Hi Jari, On 03/09/2013 02:23, Jari Arkko wrote: ... > At the time of this writing, the IETF operates as if the > Proposed Standard was the last chance for the to ensure the > quality of the technology and the clarity of the standards > document. There's a point that I think should be made here, something like: In practice, interoperable implementations are commonly based on Proposed Standard documents, so whatever design defects those documents have tend to become part of the interoperable network, perhaps in the form of work-arounds. Similarly, in today's Internet, any security defects tend to be exploited at an early stage. Fixing design and security issues in widely deployed code may be difficult or impossible in practice. Therefore, there is now very strong pressure to make the Proposed Standard as mature as possible, rather than being just good enough to meet the RFC 2026 requirements. > The result is that IETF Proposed Standards > approved over the last decade or more have had extensive > review. Exactly. Brian
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- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Jari Arkko
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Scott O Bradner
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Brian E Carpenter
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified John C Klensin
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Jari Arkko
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Olaf Kolkman
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- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Jari Arkko
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Scott O Bradner
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- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Spencer Dawkins
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- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Scott O Bradner
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- Re: PS Characterization Clarified John C Klensin
- RE: PS Characterization Clarified Adrian Farrel
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- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Olaf Kolkman
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- Re: PS Characterization Clarified John C Klensin
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified John C Klensin
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Olaf Kolkman
- Re: Why we don't want to actually replace 2026 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Pete Resnick
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Scott O. Bradner
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Pete Resnick
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified John C Klensin
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified John C Klensin
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Olaf Kolkman
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Scott O Bradner
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Pete Resnick
- Re: PS Characterization Clarified Jari Arkko