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<l.wood@surrey.ac.uk> Sun, 06 April 2014 22:50 UTC

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To: stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie, rwfranks@acm.org
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 23:49:59 +0100
Subject: RE: Security for various IETF services
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> LLoyd's questions were answered IMO.

they weren't.

Lloyd Wood
http://about.me/lloydwood
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From: ietf [ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell [stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie]
Sent: 06 April 2014 23:11
To: Dick Franks
Cc: IETF Discussion
Subject: Re: Security for various IETF services

On 04/06/2014 08:27 PM, Dick Franks wrote:
> On 5 April 2014 14:40, <l.wood@surrey.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> "I didn't see anything that stood out. Are you referring to his why
>> question?  Really?  It seems others answered why."
>>
>> they did not.
>>
>> Other noises off-stage are rrelevant
>
> The author(s) of the proposal MUST provide the threat model for each
> service and a reasoned argument why the proposed action mitigates the
> identified threat or threats.
>
> Engineering best practice demands no less.

I disagree. Asking for a threat model seems odd, since the
proposed IESG statement isn't specific to a particular service
and absent that you can't sensibly construct a threat model I
think.

> Transparent decision process demands no less.

I have no idea what's apparently opaque.

> Ignoring Lloyd Wood's question is not an option.

LLoyd's questions were answered IMO.

S..



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> Dick Franks
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