Re: Wow, we're famous, was WG Review: Effective Terminology in IETF Documents (term)

Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Mon, 19 April 2021 14:31 UTC

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Keith Moore wrote:

>> However, from comments on NYT article, it is obvious that, even
>> in US, there is no such consensus, not even roughly. 
> 
> I don't think any conclusion about consensus within the US can be drawn 
> from the NYT article comments.

Then, you mean any conclusion about consensus within the Internet
community can be drawn from the IETF list where there is no
membership.

 > The sample is too small and not
 > representative of the US population.

"too small"?

You lack expertise in statistics.

In this case of so obvious lack of support for TERM, sample size
of 100 is enough as the proof regardless of US population, even
when there is some bias to choose representatives.

Anyway, as your point is that it is impossible to prove existence of
consensus for or against TERM, it is enough to deny TERM, trying
to restrict basic human right of freedom of speach with no
proven reason, totally.

							Masataka Ohta