Re: "IETF work is done on the mailing lists"

Brian E Carpenter <> Wed, 28 November 2012 08:16 UTC

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On 27/11/2012 18:00, Barry Leiba wrote:
> So here's my question:
> Does the community want us to push back on those situations?  Does the
> community believe that the real IETF work is done on the mailing
> lists, and not in the face-to-face meetings, to the extent that the
> community would want the IESG to refuse to publish documents whose
> process went as I've described above, on the basis that IETF process
> was not properly followed?

In general, yes please, with room for special cases as John suggested.

At the same time I would like this part of RFC 2418 to be applied:

"  All working group sessions (including those held outside of the IETF
   meetings) shall be reported by making minutes available.  These
   minutes should include the agenda for the session, an account of the
   discussion including any decisions made, and a list of attendees."

The list of attendees is now taken care of by the scanned blue sheets,
but the barely literate "he said, she said" minutes from most WGs
are pretty much useless. For people attempting to participate only
via the mailing list this is a problem.

Let's have more minutes like these: