Re: Wow, we're famous, was WG Review: Effective Terminology in IETF Documents (term)

tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> Thu, 15 April 2021 11:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: Wow, we're famous, was WG Review: Effective Terminology in IETF Documents (term)
To: Jim Fenton <fenton@bluepopcorn.net>, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
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On 14/04/2021 19:01, Jim Fenton wrote:
> On 14 Apr 2021, at 10:33, Eliot Lear wrote:
>
>> What does this mean to the IETF?  I don’t think it means “stop doing
>> TERM”.  Rather I think it means that we should work on the other
>> aspects.  We should make it easy and fun to be here.  And mostly it is
>> fun (of course I’m biased), but sometimes it’s not easy.
>
> The question I keep asking myself (and I don’t have an answer) is
> whether by focusing on terminology in this way we are distracting
> ourselves from making more meaningful efforts to make IETF more
> inclusive. I don’t know what those more meaningful efforts might be, but
> I hope we’re addressing the big problems first.

My answer would be yes, we are distracting ourselves.

Being inclusive means having enough in common which means we are clear 
and make clear to others what we do and how we do it so that they can 
see that they would fit in, or not as the case may be.  We are engineers 
and we work on the Internet.  Many think that the world depends on 
science when it is engineers that make it revolve.  And I struggle to 
explain to others what we mean by Internet; it is not fibre broadband, 
it is not Wi-Fi, it is not mobile/cell phone technology, it is not 
Facebook, it is not shopping on the internet.  It is something in the 
middle that lacks a definition.

Tom Petch

> -Jim
>
> .
>