Re: Changes needed to Last Call boilerplate
Michael Dillon <wavetossed@googlemail.com> Fri, 13 February 2009 10:22 UTC
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:22:39 +0000
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Subject: Re: Changes needed to Last Call boilerplate
From: Michael Dillon <wavetossed@googlemail.com>
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> > (For "Members of the IETF" we can substitute "People who are subscribed to > the IETF Discussion list", if people think that is needed in place of the > technically somewhat nebulous "Members of the IETF".) > If you really want to limit it to people subscribed to the list, forget the boilerplate, just configure Mailman differently. With the text above, don't be surprised when people learn that they can become bona fide IETF members by subscribing to the IETF discussion list and the new subscription volume swells exponentially. Given the contents of many of the letters received on the patent issue, I would expect the majority of those people to be willing, and capable of, subscribing to the IETF list in order to submit a comment. Also, don't be surprised when the next time this issue arises, the FSF encourages people to join the IETF WG discussing the next patent-encumbered draft. Fundamentally, the IETF is a legislative body crafting legislation that allows people to share intellectual property confident that they have the legal right to do so and that the risks from such sharing are minimized. Lobbying is fundamental to lawmaking. The roots of the IETF process are in the 1960's when people enhanced western democratic models with native American democratic models in which all voices are heard. Perhaps the solution to this type of issue is to solicit those voices earlier in the process, and then if there is no consensus, drop any further discussion of the draft. Patent issues affect more than just the select few who participate in IETF WGs and meetings. --Michael Dillon
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