Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidance - SMTP version

"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Sun, 15 December 2019 23:32 UTC

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 18:32:29 -0500
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From: John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
To: Valdis Klētnieks <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu>
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Subject: Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidance - SMTP version
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> RCPT TO:<ietf-bounces@ietf.org>
> 550 5.7.1 <[A.B.C.D]>: Helo command rejected: RFC2821 violation
>
> Personally,  my opinion is that if there's indication that a lot of spam or
> other malicious mail is arriving from "address literal EHLO" sources, it's
> appropriate to respond with a "550 5.7.1 Rejected due to policy reasons",

I agree we should fix the message.  It has been a very long time since I 
saw any legit mail from a host that identified itself with an IP other 
than someone trying to make a point that I don't understand.

R's,
John