Re: Further update on COVID-19 (Coronavirus) and IETF 107 Vancouver

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

ietf.org: says:
> Our policy regarding the risk to health posed by COVID-19 is that we
> will follow public health guidelines for events of this nature, in
> particular those of the World Health Organisation and the Public
> Health Agency of Canada.

For my side, I stay away from advice from such high level organisations. 
  They are too much away from reality.  They receive reports from the 
ground but they too much tweaking and too much advisory meetings, 
transforming a lot the message.  At that point I really feel they dont 
know what's really happening.

These organisations are good in their neutrality but the last thing they 
will ever say is 'I dont know'.

I would rather to this:
- ask the persons I know in person, preferably a person with much
   experience, somebody considered wise.
- in case I dont know, prefer the safe path.

Alex



Le 25/02/2020 à 14:13, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :
> These are my thoughts:
> 
> - has the situation improved since we last talked about this?
> 
> - have we absorbed the biggest?
> 
> - ...
> 
> Alex
> 
> Le 25/02/2020 à 00:41, Arleen Elliott a écrit :
>> Thoughts
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Further update on
>> COVID-19 (Coronavirus) and IETF 107 Vancouver From: IETF Executive
>> Director <[e-mail]> Date: Feb 24, 2020, 6:34 PM To:
>> IETF Announcement List <[e-mail]> As IETF 107
>> Vancouver approaches we thought it would be useful to update you on
>> our planning around COVID-19 (Coronavirus) and the potential impact
>> on this meeting.
>> 
>> Before that, it is worth noting that registrations for the meeting
>> are at a good level [1] and continue to grow in line with
>> expectations.
>> 
>> Our policy regarding the risk to health posed by COVID-19 is that
>> we will follow public health guidelines for events of this nature,
>> in particular those of the World Health Organisation [2] and the
>> Public Health Agency of Canada [3].  Neither of those bodies
>> recommend cancelling meetings of this nature but they do recommend
>> some specific planning [4] and we are following those
>> recommendations.
>> 
>> Accordingly, the following special measures are being put into
>> place for IETF 107 in Vancouver.
>> 
>> 1. Measures to prevent transmission by surface contact: - We will
>> provide all in-person participants with hand sanitizer and surface
>> wipes free of charge. - Surface wipes will be available in multiple
>> rooms for cleaning any shared equipment or surfaces, such as
>> microphones and door handles. - We are exploring changes to blue
>> sheets, including online alternatives, rather than pass a sheet and
>> pen around. - We’re going to ask that you do not feel obliged to
>> shake hands with anyone and also do not feel offended if anyone
>> declines to do so. - Buses for the social event (which is still
>> being planned) will leave at staggered intervals and also have
>> wipes available.
>> 
>> 2.  Measures for anyone who feels unwell to prevent them spreading
>>  infection: - We are setting aside a room as an isolation room
>> supplied with masks and a thermometer for anyone who feels ill
>> during the meeting. - We are making arrangements with a local
>> clinic so that we can call a doctor to attend to anyone in
>> self-imposed isolation to minimise their travel through communal
>> areas.
>> 
>> 3.  Voluntary travel guidelines for travellers from China (the
>> meeting host, Huawei, is discussing this topic with other companies
>> based in China): - Only staff from provinces where travel is
>> allowed and on a whitelist of those who have had their health
>> monitored for a number of weeks will participate in-person at the
>> meeting. - Some in-person participants, including the Huawei
>> employees based in China, plan to arrive 7 days early, monitoring
>> any symptoms before attending the meeting. - The number of
>> in-person participants will be reduced to essential travellers with
>> the rest participating remotely.
>> 
>> 4.  (As previously advised) Changes to our cancellation policy -
>> Anyone who is unable to attend due to government imposed travel 
>> restrictions will be eligible for a full refund. - We will continue
>> with the normal policy of providing a full refund to anyone who is
>> unable to travel due to visa issues.
>> 
>> 
>> We understand that some people are very concerned about the risk to
>>  health, that some other events have been cancelled or switched to
>> a remote-only model and that some companies are putting corporate
>> travel restrictions into place.  However, it remains our view that
>> there are significant risks in both under-reacting and
>> over-reacting to this complex and developing situation, and as we
>> are not epidemiologists or public health experts we will follow the
>> evidence-based advice of those that are.
>> 
>> Following the same reasoning, we will not be offering full refunds
>> in the event of someone being unable to travel due to corporate 
>> restrictions and the cancellation fee will still apply. Full
>> details of our registration policy for IETF 107 Vancouver are
>> available on our website [5].
>> 
>> 
>> Finally, we are working on a backup plan for a fully remote meeting
>>  should we need to cancel the in-person meeting, but there are a
>> number of logistical challenges to overcome.
>> 
>> Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions
>> or comments.
>> 
>> 
>> [1] https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf107/attendance.py [2]
>> https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019 [3]
>>  
>> https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection.html
>> 
>> 
>> [4] https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1269109/retrieve [5]
>>  
>> https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/107/ietf107-special-registration-provisions/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Jay Daley IETF Executive Director [e-mail]
>> 
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