Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Mon, 16 September 2019 09:41 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 02:41:13 -0700
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Subject: Re: Planned experiment: A new mailing list for last-call discussions
To: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
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On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:28 PM Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>;
wrote:

> On 9/15/19 7:16 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > Yes, of course, but that doesn't mean that WG members need to separately
> > chime in on the IETF list in support or opposition of a document
>
> No, of course not, but in the event that something becomes
> contested on the ietf@ mailing list, people who've opted out
> but have strong views or particular experience don't participate
> in those discussions.  It's very common for something to get
> through WG last call and then run into problems later in the
> process.
>
> It is, of course, completely legit not to want to participate
> in those discussions but not participating because someone feels
> they've already had their say, or they don't care about IETF
> consensus, or ... is not quite the same as not participating because
> they find the mailing list intolerable.
>

I don't think that's what I said, or at least not what I meant to say. If
people who have had their say in the WG subsequently opt not to participate
in the IETF list -- for whatever reason, even if because they find the IETF
list aversive -- that does not mean that their views are not included in
the consensus process.

-Ekr