Re: Describing which behavior is appropriate or not (was: Last Call: <draft-eggert-bcp45bis-06.txt> (IETF Discussion List Charter) to Best Current Practice)

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Subject: Re: Describing which behavior is appropriate or not (was: Last Call: <draft-eggert-bcp45bis-06.txt> (IETF Discussion List Charter) to Best Current Practice)
To: Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com>, ietf@ietf.org
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On 03/11/2021 12:54, Bron Gondwana wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, at 19:24, tom petch wrote:
>> On 31/10/2021 03:38, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>> s/Unprofessional commentary/Uncivil commentary/
>>>
>>> Merriam-Webster Online says:
>>>
>>> Definition of uncivil
>>>
>>> 1 : not civilized : barbarous
>>> 2 : lacking in courtesy : ill-mannered, impolite uncivil remarks
>>> 3 : not conducive to civic harmony and welfare
>>
>> I slept on this and decided that I prefer professional.  Civil is to me
>> more social and less, well, professional.  This is about getting the
>> work done, focussing on technical matters, with reason, logic, avoiding
>> 'ad hominem' and emotional outbursts (as the follow-up e-mails in the
>> thread may show).
>>
>> I would consider courteous, respectful, considerate but come back to
>> professional as the best IMO.
>
> I kind of agree, but I also realise that there's probably some cultural baggage here and civil might translate better in the parts of the world which aren't primarily English-speaking and to people who aren't corporate professionals.

Could well be but then are we seeking to deprecate uncivil or 
incivility?  I see both un- and in- have cropped up in this thread and 
for me it is incivility that fits better.

Tom Petch

> Cheers,
>
> Bron.
>
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