Re: IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input (off-topic)

Vinayak Hegde <> Wed, 25 May 2016 08:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF 100, Singapore -- proposed path forward and request for input (off-topic)
From: Vinayak Hegde <>
To: Sandoche Balakrichenan <>
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On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Sandoche Balakrichenan
<> wrote:
> On 24/05/16 21:35, S Moonesamy wrote:
>> Hi Sandoche,
>> I labeled my reply as off-topic as it is not directly related to the
>> topic.
> Looking at the plethora of issues that has been discussed, i do agree
> that Visa issue has become a off-topic :-).
>> At 06:41 24-05-2016, Sandoche Balakrichenan wrote:
>>> But i would like to post a real issue here.
>> [snip]
>>> Hence, my suggestion is that IETF should take the visa issue also into
>>> account when considering a venue.
>> Please see Slide 25 at
> ==> If the Visa issue has been seriously taken into consideration by the
> IAOC, i think we should never had an IETF in the US. Ask the number of
> students/professionals from Asian and Arab Countries, the harrassment
> they pass through from the US embassy just to get a Visa.
>>   I don't know how the visa issue is handled in practice as I am not
>> an IAOC member.
> ==> I am not here to complain. But, just wanted to point out that the
> community that i previously mentioned has learned to adjust and accepted
> it as a way of life. If the IAOC has to consider all participants issues
> before considering a venue, then  i think it will be difficult to find
> one in our planet.

I think the visa issue affects a large portion of participants
(non-US/non-EU), yet it is hardly discussed as much on the IETF
mailing lists. I hope that the IAOC is taking that into consideration.
I also think it is rather more important than issues about getting
families to the IETF (which I believe is a perk and not a necessity).
I think we need to focus more on getting participants to the physical

We talk about sharing the "travel pain". Visas is an important pain
point for number of Non-EU/Non-US countries.

-- Vinayak