Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2119-update-00.txt
Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Wed, 10 August 2016 09:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2119-update-00.txt
To: "Scott O. Bradner" <sob@sobco.com>, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
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From: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
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SHOULD meaning "do it unless you have a good reason not to do it" as opposed to MUST meaning "do it under all circumstances" is a term that I have found useful over the years. It is particularly useful when you want to set defaults in a control protocol, but recognise that operators may wish to express an alternative behaviour in a configured system. It is also useful in some backwards compatible situations. Stewart On 09/08/2016 23:52, Scott O. Bradner wrote: > my only suggestion would be to consider removing SHOULD > > (semi-serious) > > Scott > >> On Aug 9, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote: >> >> This draft should be self-explanatory -- and please be sure to look at >> Section 1.1 for some explanations that may short-cut some of the >> discussion. >> >> The bottom line is to update BCP 14 (RFC 2119) to >> (1) make it clear that the key words MUST(/NOT), SHOULD(/NOT), and MAY >> are only key words when they're in ALL CAPS, and >> (2) deprecate the use of the variants (SHALL, RECOMMENDED, OPTIONAL) >> so as to avoid reserving an unnecessarily number of key words. >> >> Discussion here, please, before Ben, who has kindly agreed to >> AD-sponsor this, sends it out for last call. And we do expect there >> to be some significant discussion on this one. >> >> Barry >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:55 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote: >>> A new version of I-D, draft-leiba-rfc2119-update-00.txt >>> has been successfully submitted by Barry Leiba and posted to the >>> IETF repository. >>> >>> Name: draft-leiba-rfc2119-update >>> Revision: 00 >>> Title: Ambiguity of Uppercase vs Lowercase in RFC 2119 Key Words >>> Document date: 2016-08-09 >>> Group: Individual Submission >>> Pages: 4 >>> URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-leiba-rfc2119-update-00.txt >>> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leiba-rfc2119-update/ >>> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-leiba-rfc2119-update-00 >>> >>> >>> Abstract: >>> RFC 2119 specifies common key words that may be used in protocol >>> specifications. This document aims to reduce the ambiguity by >>> clarifying that only UPPERCASE usage of the key words have the >>> defined special meanings, and by deprecating some versions of the key >>> words. >>>
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… John C Klensin
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… John R Levine
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Dave Crocker
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… John Levine
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Randall Gellens (IETF)
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Joe Touch
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Gmail
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… John C Klensin
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Dave Crocker
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Pete Resnick
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Joe Touch
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Dave Crocker
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Pete Resnick
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Julian Reschke
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Michael Richardson
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Julian Reschke
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Ted Lemon
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Ben Campbell
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… HANSEN, TONY L
- RE: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… John C Klensin
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Barry Leiba
- RE: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Ted Lemon
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Stewart Bryant
- RE: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… John C Klensin
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… John C Klensin
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Dave Crocker
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… John C Klensin
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Michael Richardson
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Barry Leiba
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Doug Ewell
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Dave Cridland
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Barry Leiba
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Time Warner Cable
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Michael Richardson
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Barry Leiba
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Michael Richardson
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Ted Lemon
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Ted Lemon
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… John Leslie
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Ted Lemon
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Stewart Bryant
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Stewart Bryant
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Stewart Bryant
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Stewart Bryant
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Randy Bush
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Dave Crocker
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Michael Richardson
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Mark Andrews
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… John R Levine
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Mark Andrews
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… John Levine
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Joe Touch
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Sam Hartman
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Dave Crocker
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Sam Hartman
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Barry Leiba
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Stephan Wenger
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Barry Leiba
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Ted Hardie
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2… Paul Hoffman