Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2119-update-00.txt

Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Wed, 10 August 2016 09:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-rfc2119-update-00.txt
To: "Scott O. Bradner" <sob@sobco.com>, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
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From: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:47:12 +0100
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SHOULD meaning "do it unless you have a good reason not to do it"
as opposed to MUST meaning "do it under all circumstances" is a
term that I have found useful over the years.

It is particularly useful when you want to set defaults in a control
protocol, but recognise that operators may wish to express
an alternative behaviour in a configured system.

It is also useful in some backwards compatible situations.

Stewart

On 09/08/2016 23:52, Scott O. Bradner wrote:
> my only suggestion would be to consider removing SHOULD
>
> (semi-serious)
>
> Scott
>
>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote:
>>
>> This draft should be self-explanatory -- and please be sure to look at
>> Section 1.1 for some explanations that may short-cut some of the
>> discussion.
>>
>> The bottom line is to update BCP 14 (RFC 2119) to
>> (1) make it clear that the key words MUST(/NOT), SHOULD(/NOT), and MAY
>> are only key words when they're in ALL CAPS, and
>> (2) deprecate the use of the variants (SHALL, RECOMMENDED, OPTIONAL)
>> so as to avoid reserving an unnecessarily number of key words.
>>
>> Discussion here, please, before Ben, who has kindly agreed to
>> AD-sponsor this, sends it out for last call.  And we do expect there
>> to be some significant discussion on this one.
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:55 PM,  <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>>> A new version of I-D, draft-leiba-rfc2119-update-00.txt
>>> has been successfully submitted by Barry Leiba and posted to the
>>> IETF repository.
>>>
>>> Name:           draft-leiba-rfc2119-update
>>> Revision:       00
>>> Title:          Ambiguity of Uppercase vs Lowercase in RFC 2119 Key Words
>>> Document date:  2016-08-09
>>> Group:          Individual Submission
>>> Pages:          4
>>> URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-leiba-rfc2119-update-00.txt
>>> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leiba-rfc2119-update/
>>> Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-leiba-rfc2119-update-00
>>>
>>>
>>> Abstract:
>>>    RFC 2119 specifies common key words that may be used in protocol
>>>    specifications.  This document aims to reduce the ambiguity by
>>>    clarifying that only UPPERCASE usage of the key words have the
>>>    defined special meanings, and by deprecating some versions of the key
>>>    words.
>>>