Re: How survey results informed preliminary IETF 108 planning

tom petch <daedulus@btconnect.com> Fri, 22 May 2020 09:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: How survey results informed preliminary IETF 108 planning
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Is there any mailiing list on which to raise issues arising from virtual meetings, apart from this one?  I am thinking that this will go way beyond IETF 108 and so will be a long running discussion :-(

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The sorts of thing I am wondering about is
- fees (much asked about in the survey)
- technology needed to participate (there seems to be a groundswell that there is no good technology, at least not open)
- I-D cut off, or not
- POP location (ie cost of connecting)
- authentication
and so on

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Subject: How survey results informed preliminary IETF 108 planning
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A new blog post is up at https://www.ietf.org/blog/ietf108-survey-results-informed-planning/ about how we’ve used survey results thus far to inform IETF 108 meeting planning.

Alissa Cooper
IETF Chair