Re: Non routable IPv6 registry proposal
Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Sun, 24 January 2021 05:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: Non routable IPv6 registry proposal
To: Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
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From: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
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On 24/1/21 01:52, Joe Touch wrote: > >> On Jan 23, 2021, at 8:37 PM, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote: >> >> On 23/1/21 14:12, Joe Touch wrote: >>>>> On Jan 22, 2021, at 11:37 PM, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> One *internet-draft* certainly doesn't undermine E2E. However, I guess >>>> that an *RFC* published as a "Proposed Standard" probably does (undermine) E2E? >>> Not when it doesn’t update the hundreds of other standards that don’t. >> >> It doesn't formally update them, true. But it is a de-facto update: behavior that goes against such other standards has been approved as PS. > > There is no such thing as de facto updates. defacto update = a document that is doing something that goes against existing specs and documents. It fails to formally update existing documents, as well as having existing "Update" tags -- still, it changes the assumtions and behaviors of said specs. (Do I like that? -- Of course not) > You’re confusing the “let a thousand flowers bloom” approach with a change in architecture. "Let a thousand flowers bloom" would possible for *internet-drafts*, *or* for standards that can exist without harming harming each other. When the "mangling EHs on the fly" flower blooms, the IPv6 flower fades. I could ask the question: can IPv6 routers remove EHs on the fly? The IPv6 architecture implies that it doesn't. But there's a PS (not just Info or Experimental) about that -- so yes, they do. The whole point of having an architecture is that it guides the development of specs. When it doesn't, the "architecture" is just words on paper. -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492
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