Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 25 February 2021 22:06 UTC

Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4E43A0CBA; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:06:44 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.1
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uELUw-C7wmec; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:06:43 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-pl1-x630.google.com (mail-pl1-x630.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::630]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C7013A0CB8; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:06:43 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-pl1-x630.google.com with SMTP id z7so3964782plk.7; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:06:43 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Nn1Nrkiz/NF3hLwLmAVQt48P+HWoxtGFI44qa9RjBso=; b=p3qg6F5lW1LSn8C0dpgCi2jUHrIRgNC4rAf4XSTVuYARvkChKO6fKpIi4FX+MLm3Oh laCukZV0gbkVoF1+YumlgTN4+SLjRe1MbyEJYTEYgFzbEvuknD61UD6HhBEn+Svb1JYY Au1IErvVu9eRXyNkf8vg5woN3aE8AU/PKw+uok4RvSqDnpTcZ60c+WEjjTznNIC0ATYG NcPFMNuAZfeqkmymhwamu5ULujQCSGQqbEu7PuIW5frBHOV2WFlDvNXSduUqjnfi4kfM aStfcpG8POSrXQAGN42WYgGDfUf0UCctGWvQD+KD7DhlE7v5rULMpF+BtCmsiyb2sxlH KMqg==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Nn1Nrkiz/NF3hLwLmAVQt48P+HWoxtGFI44qa9RjBso=; b=gRzGhDnzhwSuKx1RVUAPqR3nz2880WRzGtJjc838JfWrXfVHwOFGBbpfiuVpNg552u 74dz9rl5Ic2JyUaOHnXsijzbWxY7aZdJi+HYZ5FTXP+GkTjEWRgzDe28FY7JkGUkGbwv fKSRR4stv6gN37Ua43zT61zF/RsNIky9eZ1hqRdzqA6giarC3DvruaVlebAuc5ezDEFo IyvnWBm4qf7hlGKdZiY3cBo24a5IbkRAOkSt+xmegTQT29Jl1Re5i5dkbkkaWZbtp+0y xK1JQDl/qDrCZZ8uxxXeZP8jwXfDPn/0NPsnjS+tAqodIBjc/hrZtx3vrrM8y3RgReTs 0LIQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531BcSOZeAhxX2MJIS7fzDfcCsuirVDsLysmOG/vbWD41JokpCmF OwotsepY8O7ANzzznsj3Mps=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJykm2HDUF6JlyLz08VbMZ46KN7LRBERbSPUMsGQKKFIz1Jjl+c8KEG1plCgCpjxlr1eai2Xbg==
X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:f1c2:b029:e4:6c23:489f with SMTP id e2-20020a170902f1c2b02900e46c23489fmr462657plc.62.1614290802695; Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:06:42 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([151.210.131.28]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j4sm6961797pfa.131.2021.02.25.14.06.40 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:06:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
To: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, "Salz, Rich" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "gendispatch@ietf.org" <gendispatch@ietf.org>, Marc Petit-Huguenin <marc@petit-huguenin.org>
References: <37eecb9b-f0eb-e21c-b162-b1f0339e4981@si6networks.com> <3c2d646d-f18d-4d88-b458-29dbd486432b@beta.fastmail.com> <446A8D6B-E624-49E0-B67E-D1F8AFC794E2@lastpresslabel.com> <28ac1e86-f641-b9e8-0f61-6ff442feaa90@si6networks.com> <LO2P265MB057322BA95B1B44D4175356BC29E9@LO2P265MB0573.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> <b24ce0e9-8912-12b1-af8a-6024ae83288f@si6networks.com> <25E1B1D5-E8F1-4053-A1E0-6B2948577E84@akamai.com> <3a8dca6d-0aca-d578-0f7a-3f68e2811bad@si6networks.com> <9FBF7792-8507-45F2-B06C-2173BCDF7D4C@akamai.com> <4fc62af0-cbf0-c923-5e24-fc0dfc1de996@si6networks.com> <B8DDE7D2-0105-45D5-93FB-34FF8561D888@akamai.com> <d5854cb1-ff93-6284-5106-93dd8a06f6f1@si6networks.com> <F758F440-55ED-44DE-A613-C19C3BE14160@akamai.com> <848db3b1-1423-e08f-d529-32924286241e@si6networks.com>
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8156d278-b53e-bd66-f061-67261c43b215@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 11:06:37 +1300
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <848db3b1-1423-e08f-d529-32924286241e@si6networks.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/WYX0E2pCgl86VY9HRCXWvvnszU0>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 22:06:45 -0000

On 26-Feb-21 10:41, Fernando Gont wrote:
> On 25/2/21 17:40, Salz, Rich wrote:
>  > On 25/2/21 17:26, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote:
> [...]
>>> What I saw is the opposite:  Open source developers were already working with the IETF, and some of them shoved GitHub down our throats.
>>
>> Interesting viewpoint.  Did you attend any of the WG meetings?  I didn't see your name in the mailing list archives.
> 
> Well, as per this discussion, it seems that mailing-lists and 
> mailing-lists archives don't really matter much, anyway  ?

Not so; have you read RFC8874?

What happens in GitHub stays in GitHub. As far as IETF consensus goes, RFC2148 remains determinant.

   Brian