RE: BCP97bis

mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Mon, 18 October 2021 14:57 UTC

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To: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
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Subject: RE: BCP97bis
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Hi all,

I agree with the concern raised below.

It is likely that securing access would be to pay the fees for every access. I’m not sure this can be fixed by write-up unless we have in mind something similar to the approach considered in my write-up at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-drip-reqs/shepherdwriteup/

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All normative references are published RFCs, except a reference to an
external specification ([F3411-19]).

Note that [F3411-19] is not freely available ($88), but an early
version is publicly available at
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/opendroneid/specs/master/
OpenDroneID_Bluetooth_0.64.3.pdf.  A pointer to this freely available
document is also cited in the document.  This is clearly called in
the draft (see the text right after Figure 2).
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Cheers,
Med

De : ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> De la part de Salz, Rich
Envoyé : lundi 18 octobre 2021 16:29
À : Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>rg>; Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>
Cc : ietf <ietf@ietf.org>
Objet : Re: BCP97bis


  *   At a minimum, authors/editors of source documents need to secure freely available copies of the target documents for use by all anticipated reviewers during the source document's life cycle, which includes working group participants, any member of the community that chooses to participate in Last Call discussions, area review teams, IANA expert reviewers, and members of the IESG. The mechanism for acquiring access to those documents is to be be specified in the shepherd writeup.

I understand the desire for everything that is defined by the IETF to be built on public freely available resources.  I think this goes WAY WAY WAY too far.

Can I buy a copy of a standard and require it to be postal mailed to everyone serially?

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