Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets

Samuel Weiler <weiler@watson.org> Mon, 23 April 2012 17:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: Future Handling of Blue Sheets
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2012, Randy Bush wrote:

> i see ourselves some years from now having electronic tracking of 
> whether X was in the room during which parts of the discussion.  do 
> not like.

+1

I am very sympathetic to the desire to minimize the work of responding 
to subpoenas.  A very effective way to do that is to not have the 
data.

I would strongly prefer to see the blue sheets disappear entirely. 
Let's quit collecting data that we don't need.  The collection of 
attendee lists does not directly support our technical work.  To the 
extent that we need a headcount for meeting planning, a count (without 
names) is sufficient.

-- Sam