Re: I-D Action: draft-bradner-rfc3979bis-08.txt

Michael Cameron <> Wed, 30 March 2016 20:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-bradner-rfc3979bis-08.txt
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Hello Brian.  I respectfully disagree.  If the meaning of the phrase has not been litigated, it has not been tested. Regarding your second point, please refer to Gonzalo's earlier comment. For those and other reasons, I continue to believe that these amendments add certainty and clarity to the policy.

Best, Mike

> On Mar 30, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Brian E Carpenter <> wrote:
>> On 31/03/2016 06:01, Michael Cameron wrote:
>> ...
>> To clarify this, I would propose deleting the phrase "reasonably and" in Section 5.1.2.
> I would object very strongly to this deletion. We have always said "reasonably and
> personally known" to make it clear that nobody is expected to go to unreasonable
> lengths to discover the existence of IPR. For anyone who works for a large company,
> it is clearly unreasonable for them to be aware of all IPR owned by that company,
> and this phrase covers that case nicely, especially given that we all participate
> and contribute here as individuals, even if we happen to use a corporate email
> address. This phrase has stood the test of time and should not be changed.
> ...
>> ...  Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, acting as a working group chair or Area Director shall constitute "Participating" to the extent such person engages in discussions or review of a Contribution as part of the activities of their relevant working group or area. 
> That seems 100% redundant to me. How could anybody possibly interpret the roles
> of WG Chair or AD as anything other than participating, at moments when they
> are not contributing (which they often do)?
> Regards
>   Brian