Re: how to contact the IETF

Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> Tue, 10 February 2009 00:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: how to contact the IETF
From: Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com>
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>wrote:

>    > From: Alex Loret de Mola <edgarverona@gmail.com>
>
>    > However, these are people who are upset, and want to make thier
>    > opinions known... it is good to know (and see) that so many people are
>    > interested and have a strong opinion about this subject.
>
> Give me an effing break. These people have simply been programmed by the
> FSF
> to show up and complain. This is not individuals who have something of
> substance to contribute, it's just a chorus of sheep.


Speaking only for myself, Noel, I find your comment extremely offensive.
 The vast majority of these FSF-solicited comments have been respectful and
polite in tone.  The FSF claims that there is a significant probability that
progressing the current draft could lead to a tollbooth on TLS, which
everyone agrees would be a bad thing.  It seems to me a useful point of
information that there is intense and apparently fairly widely-held concern
on this point.  If the concern (as I certainly hope) is unfounded, the
concern will have been unnecessary.

I also would have preferred if they'd organized a wiki page somewhere and
had a thousand people sign it and send one pointer to ietf@ietf.org.  But
really, they are keeping it polite.

  -Tim