Re: What's the alternative to "snarling"?

Michael Thomas <> Mon, 19 April 2021 20:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: What's the alternative to "snarling"?
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On 4/19/21 1:09 PM, Leif Johansson wrote:
> On 2021-04-19 21:46, Keith Moore wrote:
>> On 4/19/21 11:51 AM, Leif Johansson wrote:
>>>> In other words, they can spend all of their time politely explaining in detail why proposals are Bad Ideas, instead of getting useful work done.
>>> Point to where the useful work will be done if we don’t stop this.
>> I don't want to either dismiss your concern (which I share) or sound flippant, but I also wonder where the useful work will be done if we DO stop this.
> I appreciate your attempt to keep sticking to your point and trying to be serious
> about it but... I just don't buy the IETF as the group of brilliant but tortured
> souls who have "snarl" at each other to make themselves heard over the din of "Bad
> Ideas".

What's funny is that several run ins I had that wg chairs shut down just 
went back to their default mode of nothing getting done. In that time, 
they have about a hundred open issues and they were still on issue #1 
which wasn't particularly exciting or important and had been going on 
sporadically the entire time I was there which was a couple months. For 
all I know, they're still stuck on it.