Re: License File for Open Source Repositories

Dave Taht <> Fri, 23 December 2016 20:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: License File for Open Source Repositories
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"open source != BSD". There are better licenses out there - notably
apache 2.0 is pretty clear, legally, in places where BSD is not. I am
also under the impression that GPLv2 has an implicit patent grant
(which would be a real boon in clearing some matters up long before it
would ever become an issue).

But IANAL. Have you taken this proposed policy up with OSI?

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 7:36 AM, IESG Secretary <> wrote:
> The IESG has observed that many working groups work with open source
> repositories even for their work on specifications. That's great, and
> we're happy to see this development, as it fits well the working style
> of at least some of our working groups. This style is also likely to be
> more popular in the future.
> As always, we'd like to understand areas where we can either be helpful
> in bringing in some new things such as tooling, or where we need to
> integrate better between the repository world and the IETF process. As
> an example of the latter, we're wondering whether it would be helpful to
> have a standard boilerplate for these repositories with respect to the
> usual copyright and other matters. The intent is for such text to be
> placed in a suitable file (e.g., "CONTRIBUTING"), probably along with
> some additional information that is already present in these files in
> many repositories. The idea is that people should treat, e.g., text
> contributions to a draft-foo.xml in a repository much in the same way as
> they treat text contributions on the list, at least when it comes to
> copyright, IPR, and other similar issues.
> We have worked together with the IETF legal team and few key experts
> from the IETF who are actively using these repositories, and suggest the
> following text.
> We're looking to make a decision on this matter on our January 19th,
> 2017 IESG Telechat, and would appreciate feedback before then. This
> message will be resent after the holiday period is over to make sure it
> is noticed. Please send comments to the IESG ( by 2017-01-17.
> The IESG
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Dave Täht
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