Re: To "lose the argument in the WG"

"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Wed, 15 February 2017 00:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: To "lose the argument in the WG"
To: Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@randy.pensive.org>
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There is a procedure (that I thought was pretty widely known) that 
allows chairs to request early cross-are review when they think it is 
helpful.  I know that several of the review teams support this.

Yours,
Joel

On 2/14/17 6:56 PM, Randall Gellens wrote:
> At 12:18 PM +1300 2/15/17, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>
>>  2. As a Gen-ART reviewer I've often seen drafts at IETF LC that
>>  really *need* a general, in-depth review.
>
> As a document author, I appreciate the area reviews done by GEN, SEC,
> etc.  However, I think they would be just as useful and perhaps more
> timely if done during WGLC (assuming the WG does a WGLC).
>