Re: How about the IETF 107 T-Shirts ?

John C Klensin <> Thu, 12 March 2020 03:31 UTC

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:31:01 -0400
From: John C Klensin <>
To: Toerless Eckert <>
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Subject: Re: How about the IETF 107 T-Shirts ?
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--On Thursday, March 12, 2020 04:20 +0100 Toerless Eckert
<> wrote:

> Haha, love the idea.
> So at IETF108, there should be a booth with a small variety of
> stamps "Cancelled", "Corona", "Virtualized",  "not in"
> etc. and a couple of colours, and each of us can do one's own
> customized IEF107 shirt.

I was hoping that the shirts could be made available,
appropriately modified, by mail order rather than requiring
showing up at IETF 108, because anyone who participates in IETF
107 remotely is fully as much of a participant, and hence
entitled to obtain a T-Shirt, in that meeting as anyone else.
Whether it would also be good to sell them at IETF 108 (assuming
that occurs in person), I am happy to leave to the good judgment
and business expertise of the ExecDir and/or LLC Board.  :-) 

> Maybe cut-outs instead of stamps and spray can's.
> Not sure whats most easy/best on t-shirts.

> +1 on your hope for solutions of the other outstanding issues.
> I just wanted to get away from the corona discussion.

Me too, and in that sense I'm glad you started the thread.  

I think the real message from both of us may be that it is time
to lighten up a bit on both daily or hourly coronavirus details
and trying to re-evaluate or review the cancellation decision
and its implications.  Many of us have lots of substantive
technical work to do in the IETF.   Can we get back to it
without feeling a need to read every one of these many, many,
messages in the fear that one of them might be important or even
the hope that one might be amusing?


> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:20:16PM -0400, John C Klensin wrote:
>> As to the shirts themselves if they are printed already, I'd
>> hope the LLC and the sponsor could arrange to have them
>> shipped to California, that they could be appropriately
>> overprinted with "not in" before "Vancouver" and/or "Virtual"
>> or "Cancelled" in some appropriate locations, and that the
>> Secretariat (or sometone contracted by the LLC) could then
>> sell them at a premium price, perhaps offering a discount to
>> anyone who had registered and paid the registration fee.  If
>> they haven't been printed yet, perhaps a press run of
>> nicely-designed shirts saying "IETF 107: Somewhere in
>> Cyberspace" or equivalent.   The sale price for the shirts
>> could help the LLC reduce the deficit caused by canceling the
>> meeting, even of only very slightly.
>> I think I'm joking about the above, by I'm not sure.
>> But I do sincerely hope that, of all of the problems this
>> cancellation will cause and issues it will raise, the
>> situation with the T-Shirts will turn out, in the long run.
>> to be the worst and most complicated.
>> best,
>>     john