Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Benoit Claise" <bclaise@cisco.com> To: "t.p." <daedulus@btconnect.com>; "ietf" <ietf@ietf.org>; <netmod-chairs@tools.ietf.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 10:40 AM > Hi Tom, > > In the WGs for which interim meetings are hold, there is really an > increased speed of development. I can see this in NETMOD for example. So > I've been encouraging more interim meetings, when we have the right > audience in the call. > > While we transition to more interim meetings, we have to admit that > different WGs uses different tools (webex, github, svn, etherpad, irc). > I don't believe that imposing the interim meeting tools is right. We > should let each community chose. > Coming back to NETMOD (which is missing some entries at > http://www.ietf.org/meeting/interim/proceedings.html), it works with > SVN. Everything is documented at > https://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/wg/netmod/yang-1.1/, as communicated on > the mailing list. However, you are right, we should follow the process, > and go the extra mile to complete the information at > http://www.ietf.org/meeting/interim/proceedings.html > > Final thought. I believe that some of our tooling will need to adapt > anyway for interim meeting management. For example, I missed some > interim meetings in my WGs based on the simple rule: if it's not in my > calendar, it doesn't exist. The > https://www.ietf.org/meeting/interim.html format is not very helpful for > that. We need a way to easily schedule, evaluate conflicts, and download > the .ics ... in a type of calendar view. Benoit Thanks for that. In a sense, netmod is the worst offender in my analysis in that most of the interim meetings that were announced and for which nothing has appeared were netmod. I think it safe to assume that they did not happen but it would be better if that web page recorded this, perhaps by a proceedings or minutes link that says simply that the meeting did not happen. Coupled with this, since several of the missing minutes (for me the worst omission) were in the Routing Area, I flagged this to the Routing Area list, and the minutes have since appeared. The WG Chairs commented that it would be good if tools generated an e-mail reminder a week later if nothing had been filed. This could then be either minutes or a notfication that the meeting did not happen. With virtual interims happening a week apart, even a week's delay in the appearance of the minutes is a serious handicap and I suspect that once the next meeting has happened, then WG Chairs may lose interest in earlier ones. Something to take up on the Tools list. Again linked to this, but this is one for the IESG IMO, is that on some lists, the view is that without an attendee list the minutes are incomplete. In Routing, I found the view that attendees should not be listed in the minutes. Um, policy decision needed. Technology makes the collection of a Blue sheet equivalent very straightforward, at least for many virtual interims, but is it a breach of privacy (in Germany, at least) to put that on the web site? On the other hand, we would regard as deficient a string of posts to the mailing list with no indication who was making them; which minutes without an identification of at least who 'spoke' would seem to be equivalent. I can guess who Alia is but not Erik or Tom, which is all I have to go on (nvo3 2014/10/2 - netmod and netconf minutes are very good in this regard unless, of course, you regard the list of names as a breach of privacy!). As I said, I think IESG guidance is needed on what should appear in the minutes by way of who took part or who contributed. Tom Petch > Regards, Benoit > > There has been a marked increase in the number of interim meetings. > > Using > > http://www.ietf.org/meeting/interim/proceedings.html > > as a guide, there were > > 18 in 2011 > > 35 in 2012 > > 45 in 2013 > > 84 in 2014 > > 13 in January 2015 alone. > > > > With them comes a change in the way of working, perhaps rendering some > > of our practices historic. > > > > Of the 84 meetings listed for 2014, 21 left no other trace on the IETF > > web site, no Agenda, no Minutes, no Proceedings. Perhaps the WG > > provided no materials, perhaps they did not happen; sometimes a > > cancellation notice is apparent in the WG List Archives, other times > > not. > > > > Of the 63 that have left a trace, 6 produced no Minutes but did produce > > slides or recordings and so presumably happened. > > > > Of the 57 that produced Minutes, 18 produced no Agenda while in 13 > > cases, the Minutes contained no list of Attendees (goodbye Blue > > Sheets?). > > > > Only 26 meetings left a complete record, of Agenda, Minutes and > > Attendees. > > > > The meetings encompassed 30 Working Groups, of which 16 met once, 14 > > more than once, with one WG meeting 8 times. > > > > What is more subjective is that, with Virtual Interims, increasingly the > > only kind, there is a tendency for the WG Mailing List to no longer > > provide a record of discussions, choices, consensus. For example, they > > may make greater use of github so that the minutes record a discussion > > of options 1, 2 and 3 for Issue 29 with no indication of what the issue > > or options are; a while later, they may record an update to option 3 so > > it would now seem impossible to know what was discussed at the earlier > > meeting. > > > > Even with the better minutes, they never give the same sense as posts to > > a mailing list of who was or was not in favour and how strong their view > > was. > > > > Of course, we still have WG Last Calls on the list but if at a future > > date, an AD or GenArt reviewer wants to look back and see what options > > were discussed and how rough the consensus was, well, it may be > > impossible. > > > > A post in another thread recently said > > > >> I do think that the increased significance of meetings > >> in IETF participation (and here, I'm not talking about > >> things like nomcom but about significance to our technical > >> work) is a problem, both because it tends to marginalize > >> people who can't come to meetings and because it slows > >> work down. > > Well, I disagree about slowing the work down but certainly agree with > > the marginalisation, that WGs holding multiple Interims may tend to > > develop an in-crowd of those that can participate with the world at > > large only seeing the end result without knowing how it was arrived at > > by whom. > > > > Tom Petch > > > > . > > >
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- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Benson Schliesser
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- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Benoit Claise
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work John C Klensin
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Ted Lemon
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Ted Lemon
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Alia Atlas
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Mary Barnes
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Dave Crocker
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Ted Lemon
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work t.p.
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Benson Schliesser
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Nico Williams
- Re: "Blue sheets" [ Interim meetings - changing t… Benson Schliesser
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Andy Bierman
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Benson Schliesser
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Ted Lemon
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work John C Klensin
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Ted Lemon
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Lou Berger
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Thomas D. Nadeau
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Lou Berger
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing… Nico Williams
- RE: 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing… Christer Holmberg
- Re: 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing… Alia Atlas
- Re: "Blue sheets" [ Interim meetings - changing t… Scott O. Bradner
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- Re: 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing… Mary Barnes
- Re: 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing… Nico Williams
- Re: 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing… Stephen Farrell
- Re: sweets to the sweet, was 'Paywall, ' IETF sel… John Levine
- Re: 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing… l.wood
- Re: 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency, increasing… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Pranesh Prakash
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… John C Klensin
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Pranesh Prakash
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Pranesh Prakash
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Pranesh Prakash
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Pranesh Prakash
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Randy Bush
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… John C Klensin
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Pranesh Prakash
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Pranesh Prakash
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… joel jaeggli
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Ted Lemon
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Benoit Claise
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Dave Cridland
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Pranesh Prakash
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Diversity] 'Paywall, ' IETF self-sufficiency… Dave Cridland
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Andy Bierman
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work Benoit Claise
- Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work t.p.