Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward running code...
Elwyn Davies <elwynd@dial.pipex.com> Mon, 03 December 2012 15:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: Idea for a process experiment to reward running code...
From: Elwyn Davies <elwynd@dial.pipex.com>
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Barry responded... On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 09:50 -0500, Barry Leiba wrote: > Elwyn says... > > > However, I don't think that a short last call cycle need necessarily > > compromise cross-area review. There has always been the possibility for > > authors or wg chairs to request a early gen-art review with a view to > > checking out whether something is in good shape cross-area and for > > non-specialists. This facility is not much used (I think I have done 3 > > in 8 years on the gen-art team) but it is there, and I guess the team > > could cope with a few more since it doesn't drastically alter the total > > workload. So it would be entirely possible for a draft that might be > > fast-tracked to get some early review. > > Do you really think it's likely that a chair who's trying to > fast-track a document will likely go out asking for early GenART, > SecDir, AppDir, and OpsDir reviews? > A few do already. But seriously, if the wg chair(s) actually have an interest in the technology and feel there is a valid reason for getting something decent out into the world quickly then they could well be motivated to do just that. If our wg chairs are really just bureaucratic process minders then it's time we found some different ones, but I don't think they are. Maybe this is just a plea for a bit more parallel processing and a few less silos. /Elwyn
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