Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infrastucture (RAI) Area
Dave Crocker <dhc2@dcrocker.net> Wed, 21 September 2005 14:22 UTC
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From: Dave Crocker <dhc2@dcrocker.net>
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Subject: Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infrastucture (RAI) Area
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> It seems that on the Internet so called real time applications are > generally either > > delay sensitive > > and / or > > Jitter intolerant. (Which are, of course, different things.) Marshall, I think you are onto something quite fundamental. In recent times, the IETF has gotten quite good at introducing delay and making foliks jittery, so it does make some sense to be official about it... On a slightly more serious note, I'm struck by the co-occurrence of a focus on "delay sensitive" work with one on "delay tolerant" (DTN) work. Methinks there really is some commonality on the core services, although the apps are wildly divergent. Probably. However, the skillsets involved in paying attention to infrastructure performance, as needed for internet and transport work, is fundamentally different from that needed for the services that use the infrastructure (generally called "applications" but why be fussy?) It strikes me that the real danger of creating this specialized area will be a failure to produce results that integrate with the rest of the IETF work. Why don't we have an email area that covers relevant infrastructure services, and a web area that also does, since each of these applications have different infrastructure requirements and the lack of focus on them has had a negative impact on both of their operations. (And, yes, I'm serious that they have different service needs and that their operation is affected by this.) d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking +1.408.246.8253 dcrocker a t ... WE'VE MOVED to: www.bbiw.net _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- RE: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Yaakov Stein
- RE: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Melinda Shore
- Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… James M. Polk
- Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… JFC (Jefsey) Morfin
- Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Dave Crocker
- RE: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… john.loughney
- RE: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Lakshminath Dondeti
- Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… David Kessens
- Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Lakshminath Dondeti
- Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Jari Arkko
- Hobby [Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications an… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Yaakov Stein
- What is RAI? C Wegrzyn
- Re: What is RAI? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Sam Hartman
- Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Possible new Real-Time Applications and Infra… Pete Resnick