Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Possible OBF question -- I18n)
Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 01 June 2018 20:16 UTC
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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:16:42 -0500
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Subject: Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Possible OBF question -- I18n)
To: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
Cc: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com>, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, IETF list <ietf@ietf.org>
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I'm confused about something here. On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:33 PM Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 11:42 AM Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com> > wrote: > >> On 6/1/18 10:27 AM, John R Levine wrote: >> > On Fri, 1 Jun 2018, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> >>> Require that documents have I18N Considerations sections, require >> review >> >>> by an I18N directorate, and you'll see how quickly participants who >> used >> >>> to not give a damn about I18 will come around, learn what they have >> to, >> >>> and get their I18N work done. Suddenly the I18N directorate will be >> in >> >>> demand. >> >> >> >> This is worth considering... >> > >> > I don't think it's a very good idea. It'll just lead to useless >> > pro-forma language. >> >> Quite possibly. > > > We have the IESG and directorates to make sure these sections are not pro > forma. > I'm not seeing an obvious directorate that would review docs for i18n considerations at https://datatracker.ietf.org/dir/. To be fair, that's the list of active directorates, but searching for "ietf internationalization directorate review" didn't turn up an obvious closed directory. What I do know, is that the IAB had an Internationalization program, but that concluded in March 2017, and IAB programs don't have any particular role in document approval beyond program members (who may or may not be IAB members) responding to Last Call announcements as individuals. Details at https://www.iab.org/activities/programs/concluded-programs/internationalization-program/ . Transport guys don't internationalize a lot, because most of our headers aren't intended for human consumption, and it's very possible that I'm missing something - so, I'm just trying to stay synchronized with this important conversation. Thanks,
- Possible OBF question -- I18n John C Klensin
- Re: Possible OBF question -- I18n John Levine
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John C Klensin
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John R Levine
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John C Klensin
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… tom p.
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John R Levine
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John C Klensin
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Donald Eastlake
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John C Klensin
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John C Klensin
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n Adam Roach
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Larry Masinter
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Patrik Fältström
- RE: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John C Klensin
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Niels ten Oever
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John R Levine
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John R Levine
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John C Klensin
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John C Klensin
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n John R Levine
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… John C Klensin
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n (was: Re: Poss… Patrik Fältström
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n Barry Leiba
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n Christian Huitema
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n Nico Williams
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n tom p.
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n Barry Leiba
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n ned+ietf
- Re: Possible BofF question -- I18n ned+ietf