Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring
Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com> Thu, 02 September 2004 10:19 UTC
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Cc: Leslie Daigle <leslie@thinkingcat.com>, Christian de Larrinaga <cdel@firsthand.net>, ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Options for IETF administrative restructuring
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Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > Christian, ... >> 3/ Do we have an analysis of the policy implications in bringing >> responsibility for the administration of Internet Standards negotiation >> into the same body that is responsible for their oversight (via >> appointment of IAB and Trustee appeal role)? > > > That's what the discussion in section 4.2.3 (Scenario B) is intended to > cover. See also the comment in section 4.5 (Scenario D). > So there has been thought applied to this topic. I don't know whether > you consider that an "analysis" or not - this is one topic where I would > like to get feedback from the community. > > Harald I think Christian is actually raising a point that *isn't* covered explicitly in 4.2.3 and that applies equally to scenarios A and B. By making IETF administration a specific function of ISOC, would we introduce any *new* potential conflict of interest for ISOC trustees in their roles as the confirming body for the IAB slate (RFC 3777) and as the final step in the appeals process (section 6.5.3 of RFC 2026)? I don't see why. ISOC trustees have a fiduciary duty to ISOC, but given how narrowly their two IETF roles are drawn, I can't see where there is any significant new potential for conflict because of the administration being on the ISOC budget. Christian also implies the converse question: would scenarios C & D reduce a hypothetical existing conflict of interest for the ISOC trusteees? Again, I don't see why. Firstly, I don't think there is an existing conflict of interest. Secondly, changing the IETF from an unincorporated association to an incorporated entity really cannot affect the ISOC trustees' fiduciary duty to ISOC, so any hypothetical conflict would not be changed. So I think this issue is neutral with respect to the choice between (A or B) versus (C or D). The usual "I am not a lawyer" disclaimers apply. Brian _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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